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	<title>Comments on: Addicted to Too Human &#8211; Camera &amp; Combat</title>
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		<title>By: Bob Works</title>
		<link>http://oxcgn.com/2008/07/30/addicted-to-too-human-camera-and-combat/comment-page-1/#comment-2642</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Works</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This game sucks ass; it&#039;s save system doesn&#039;t work; if you leave the gave even after saving, it starts you from the very beginning of the level (or last fountain); what&#039;s the point of using the save feature?  The detection is the worst I&#039;ve ever played, the camera system was written by a retarded 9-year old on crack; whoever wrote the camera system should promptly go out and kill them self as violently as possible. 

10 years for this POS!? This game was a complete and total waste of time; it should have been scrapped 10 years; SK, your idiots and your programmers are morons; go drink bleach and set your ass on fire for stealing money over hype. 

Have a nice day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This game sucks ass; it&#8217;s save system doesn&#8217;t work; if you leave the gave even after saving, it starts you from the very beginning of the level (or last fountain); what&#8217;s the point of using the save feature?  The detection is the worst I&#8217;ve ever played, the camera system was written by a retarded 9-year old on crack; whoever wrote the camera system should promptly go out and kill them self as violently as possible. </p>
<p>10 years for this POS!? This game was a complete and total waste of time; it should have been scrapped 10 years; SK, your idiots and your programmers are morons; go drink bleach and set your ass on fire for stealing money over hype. </p>
<p>Have a nice day.</p>
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		<title>By: twodogsz</title>
		<link>http://oxcgn.com/2008/07/30/addicted-to-too-human-camera-and-combat/comment-page-1/#comment-2389</link>
		<dc:creator>twodogsz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JustAncet

Did you post on the wrong site? lol

I played the game for 10+hrs and addressed all of your concerns, by admitting that I hated what I first saw and played before I got used to it and subsequently loved it.

I suggest you take your own advice and research/read things better. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JustAncet</p>
<p>Did you post on the wrong site? lol</p>
<p>I played the game for 10+hrs and addressed all of your concerns, by admitting that I hated what I first saw and played before I got used to it and subsequently loved it.</p>
<p>I suggest you take your own advice and research/read things better. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: xboxoz360</title>
		<link>http://oxcgn.com/2008/07/30/addicted-to-too-human-camera-and-combat/comment-page-1/#comment-2384</link>
		<dc:creator>xboxoz360</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 01:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ JustAncet,&lt;/b&gt;

Not sure who you are directing your comments at, because if it&#039;s at the writer of this article, then you sir need to take your own advice and READ the article.

The author has played the demo several times and has invested over 10 hours of game play in it. And while his first playthrough left him feeling so-so about the game, it wasn&#039;t until he played it further and got to understand the new controls that he became aware of the games intricacies and uniqueness.

In fact, we&#039;ve had feed back from Denis Dyack that he infact is enjoying the article, so unless you know Denis personally and can speak for him, I&#039;d suggest you learn to read the ENTIRE article/s and then make comments.

The author actually LOVES the game and can&#039;t wait to get it. But does know that there are flaws in it, just like ANY game made. To suggest Too Human is &quot;perfect&quot; and without fault is absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ JustAncet,</b></p>
<p>Not sure who you are directing your comments at, because if it&#8217;s at the writer of this article, then you sir need to take your own advice and READ the article.</p>
<p>The author has played the demo several times and has invested over 10 hours of game play in it. And while his first playthrough left him feeling so-so about the game, it wasn&#8217;t until he played it further and got to understand the new controls that he became aware of the games intricacies and uniqueness.</p>
<p>In fact, we&#8217;ve had feed back from Denis Dyack that he infact is enjoying the article, so unless you know Denis personally and can speak for him, I&#8217;d suggest you learn to read the ENTIRE article/s and then make comments.</p>
<p>The author actually LOVES the game and can&#8217;t wait to get it. But does know that there are flaws in it, just like ANY game made. To suggest Too Human is &#8220;perfect&#8221; and without fault is absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: Wrecker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wrecker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you say 29/8 Twodogsz?!
Damn it, I was hoping I could get it for my birthday which is 27/8. It seems I&#039;ll be waiting 2 more days for my present =(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you say 29/8 Twodogsz?!<br />
Damn it, I was hoping I could get it for my birthday which is 27/8. It seems I&#8217;ll be waiting 2 more days for my present =(</p>
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		<title>By: Doodis</title>
		<link>http://oxcgn.com/2008/07/30/addicted-to-too-human-camera-and-combat/comment-page-1/#comment-2375</link>
		<dc:creator>Doodis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, meant right stick in my previous post, not right button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, meant right stick in my previous post, not right button.</p>
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		<title>By: Doodis</title>
		<link>http://oxcgn.com/2008/07/30/addicted-to-too-human-camera-and-combat/comment-page-1/#comment-2374</link>
		<dc:creator>Doodis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article states, &quot;I’d like to...gawk at my character’s beautifully detailed armour and weapons.&quot;

You can! Just click on the right button in-game (when not in combat), and the camera will do a close-up, cinematic sweep of your character, spinning around him slowly from top to bottom to show off his armour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article states, &#8220;I’d like to&#8230;gawk at my character’s beautifully detailed armour and weapons.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can! Just click on the right button in-game (when not in combat), and the camera will do a close-up, cinematic sweep of your character, spinning around him slowly from top to bottom to show off his armour.</p>
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		<title>By: JustAncet</title>
		<link>http://oxcgn.com/2008/07/30/addicted-to-too-human-camera-and-combat/comment-page-1/#comment-2373</link>
		<dc:creator>JustAncet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching youtube&#039;s gameplay videos gives you excat insight of what happened... ppl are just dumb enough to not evolve with a new control scheme and just try to force their will upon it.

Too human will deliver, and excel in sells. The guy who did this review is just another example of an irresponsable journalist paying its deeds. It would have been amazing, for a change, that you would actually PLAYED THE DEMO several times and INVESTIGATE a lil&#039; bit about the game (hello google) and deliver a proper Demo review.... instead of this &quot;fix&quot;.

Journalist like you are hurting the industry, thinking they just can go online and write whatever they feel like.

Hope you learned from this experience and start making contributions more frequently. Hear denis dyak 1up post cast.... he explains that the ethics beneath the internet is the key for a succesful and less damageing  human development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching youtube&#8217;s gameplay videos gives you excat insight of what happened&#8230; ppl are just dumb enough to not evolve with a new control scheme and just try to force their will upon it.</p>
<p>Too human will deliver, and excel in sells. The guy who did this review is just another example of an irresponsable journalist paying its deeds. It would have been amazing, for a change, that you would actually PLAYED THE DEMO several times and INVESTIGATE a lil&#8217; bit about the game (hello google) and deliver a proper Demo review&#8230;. instead of this &#8220;fix&#8221;.</p>
<p>Journalist like you are hurting the industry, thinking they just can go online and write whatever they feel like.</p>
<p>Hope you learned from this experience and start making contributions more frequently. Hear denis dyak 1up post cast&#8230;. he explains that the ethics beneath the internet is the key for a succesful and less damageing  human development.</p>
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		<title>By: ShatteredBlack</title>
		<link>http://oxcgn.com/2008/07/30/addicted-to-too-human-camera-and-combat/comment-page-1/#comment-2323</link>
		<dc:creator>ShatteredBlack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What really tripped me up on my first play-through (and from the sounds of it, it has done the same to manyy other gamers), was the apparent lack of depth in the combat systems.

Melee felt like I was just &#039;prompting&#039; Baldur where to attack next (a backseat-driver-esque-experience), without me actually playing the game.

Similarly, the ranged combat felt far too simple: on the bridge (during the demo), with a decent rifle or set of pistols, it is entirely possible to take out every goblin that charges at you (obviously not the two assult goblins or the elite), by simply holding down the triggers.

After pushing through two playthroughs of this simple and boring combat (I did two because I was hyped for this game, and was convinced I must has missed something awesome in my first), I deleted the demo from my 360, and was about to ring my local EB to cancle my pre-order.

&#039;[name]! Check this out!&#039; my brother called from his room. I put the phonedown, walked in, and was immeditley gobsmacked. A level 7 beserker was running around on the LCD hooked to his 360, fierce attacks, 2in1&#039;s, ruiniers and juggles flying around the screen. After pausing the game he calmly showed me the &#039;Advanced Combat&#039; tab.

I immedietly re-downloaded the demo, and have since playing it a further 20+ times, with all classes.

This could be a major problem for Silicon Knights, as people without brothers to find the &#039;Advanced Combat&#039; tab for them are immediatly put off.

Interestingly though, I never had a single problem with the camera... *shrug*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really tripped me up on my first play-through (and from the sounds of it, it has done the same to manyy other gamers), was the apparent lack of depth in the combat systems.</p>
<p>Melee felt like I was just &#8216;prompting&#8217; Baldur where to attack next (a backseat-driver-esque-experience), without me actually playing the game.</p>
<p>Similarly, the ranged combat felt far too simple: on the bridge (during the demo), with a decent rifle or set of pistols, it is entirely possible to take out every goblin that charges at you (obviously not the two assult goblins or the elite), by simply holding down the triggers.</p>
<p>After pushing through two playthroughs of this simple and boring combat (I did two because I was hyped for this game, and was convinced I must has missed something awesome in my first), I deleted the demo from my 360, and was about to ring my local EB to cancle my pre-order.</p>
<p>&#8216;[name]! Check this out!&#8217; my brother called from his room. I put the phonedown, walked in, and was immeditley gobsmacked. A level 7 beserker was running around on the LCD hooked to his 360, fierce attacks, 2in1&#8242;s, ruiniers and juggles flying around the screen. After pausing the game he calmly showed me the &#8216;Advanced Combat&#8217; tab.</p>
<p>I immedietly re-downloaded the demo, and have since playing it a further 20+ times, with all classes.</p>
<p>This could be a major problem for Silicon Knights, as people without brothers to find the &#8216;Advanced Combat&#8217; tab for them are immediatly put off.</p>
<p>Interestingly though, I never had a single problem with the camera&#8230; *shrug*</p>
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		<title>By: leingod41</title>
		<link>http://oxcgn.com/2008/07/30/addicted-to-too-human-camera-and-combat/comment-page-1/#comment-2319</link>
		<dc:creator>leingod41</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, having played Overlord on the 360, was able to quickly analyze how the camera worked seeing as how it used some of the same configuration with the right thumbstick constructed for something other than the angle of the camera.

In Overlord, moving only the right thumbstick allowed you to move your minions like chess pieces on a board while the camera would stay behind your character and do its best to provide the most beneficial view.  This motion was tricky at first for many players who just started the game, and indeed, Codemasters did explain that the controls would be different from what we gamers are naturally attune to.

Overlord also had a key feature which I wished SK had decided to use where while holding the left/right button and then moving the right thumbstick, I was able to instantly alter my view of the area around me even if my minions were being controlled.  This way I wouldn&#039;t have to wait for Baldur to automatically sheathe his sword if I wanted to see something.

As for your review of the demo; amazing job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, having played Overlord on the 360, was able to quickly analyze how the camera worked seeing as how it used some of the same configuration with the right thumbstick constructed for something other than the angle of the camera.</p>
<p>In Overlord, moving only the right thumbstick allowed you to move your minions like chess pieces on a board while the camera would stay behind your character and do its best to provide the most beneficial view.  This motion was tricky at first for many players who just started the game, and indeed, Codemasters did explain that the controls would be different from what we gamers are naturally attune to.</p>
<p>Overlord also had a key feature which I wished SK had decided to use where while holding the left/right button and then moving the right thumbstick, I was able to instantly alter my view of the area around me even if my minions were being controlled.  This way I wouldn&#8217;t have to wait for Baldur to automatically sheathe his sword if I wanted to see something.</p>
<p>As for your review of the demo; amazing job!</p>
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		<title>By: twodogsz</title>
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		<dc:creator>twodogsz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words guys.

I think you all make very valid points about &quot;getting it&quot; and the time that takes.  I suspect it will do a lot better at retail than some are expecting, but that word of mouth generated by the demo, articles like this, and you guys telling your friends to have another shot will ensure this game has a very long tail.

It certainly isn&#039;t perfect, but much like my wine analogy, when you take it as a whole those imperfections largely become insignificant and you realise how unique an offering Too Human is on consoles.

Oh and apparently the Aussie release date is 8/21, unlike the poor Europeans who&#039;ll have to wait till 8/29.

Cheers. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words guys.</p>
<p>I think you all make very valid points about &#8220;getting it&#8221; and the time that takes.  I suspect it will do a lot better at retail than some are expecting, but that word of mouth generated by the demo, articles like this, and you guys telling your friends to have another shot will ensure this game has a very long tail.</p>
<p>It certainly isn&#8217;t perfect, but much like my wine analogy, when you take it as a whole those imperfections largely become insignificant and you realise how unique an offering Too Human is on consoles.</p>
<p>Oh and apparently the Aussie release date is 8/21, unlike the poor Europeans who&#8217;ll have to wait till 8/29.</p>
<p>Cheers. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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