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		<title>By: kiwiboy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kiwiboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 03:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Righteous Ralf I have to disagree.  The solution does not lie in
punishing the small users.  Much like the marijuana business that would just clog up the legal system and punish those who aren&#039;t really the source of the problem.

They should be targeting a)the websites that promote piracy
b) people who download frequently and often
c)people who upload the games

I will admit to engaging in piracy once or twice, in movies and in games.  Everything I pirate is 10+ years old, though, and so doesn&#039;t make the companies money.  And where else am I going to find Heroes 3 Complete, or a DVD version of Psycho 
This problem is much the]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Righteous Ralf I have to disagree.  The solution does not lie in<br />
punishing the small users.  Much like the marijuana business that would just clog up the legal system and punish those who aren&#8217;t really the source of the problem.</p>
<p>They should be targeting a)the websites that promote piracy<br />
b) people who download frequently and often<br />
c)people who upload the games</p>
<p>I will admit to engaging in piracy once or twice, in movies and in games.  Everything I pirate is 10+ years old, though, and so doesn&#8217;t make the companies money.  And where else am I going to find Heroes 3 Complete, or a DVD version of Psycho<br />
This problem is much the</p>
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		<title>By: lee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting, i didn&#039;t realize it was having this mch of an impact on game developers, you mean to say some companies are going bust from pirated software?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting, i didn&#8217;t realize it was having this mch of an impact on game developers, you mean to say some companies are going bust from pirated software?</p>
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		<title>By: Smiley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smiley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whats making it go broke is the buggy and short games they keep flooding the market with and expect it to be #1 seller.

The market is flooded with games so people have to choose which games to buy, if the game developer doesn&#039;t release a good demo what game do you think people will buy.

I&#039;d like to see them do something about China, we all know they pirate the most games/movies in the world, so unless companies are willing to go after them good luck stopping piracy.

They still haven&#039;t busted private torrent sites, some of my friends use them to download games and they have yet to be caught or sent any warning letters.

Suing a single mother with two kids isn&#039;t going to help you fight piracy one bit, it will just make people not buy your product.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats making it go broke is the buggy and short games they keep flooding the market with and expect it to be #1 seller.</p>
<p>The market is flooded with games so people have to choose which games to buy, if the game developer doesn&#8217;t release a good demo what game do you think people will buy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see them do something about China, we all know they pirate the most games/movies in the world, so unless companies are willing to go after them good luck stopping piracy.</p>
<p>They still haven&#8217;t busted private torrent sites, some of my friends use them to download games and they have yet to be caught or sent any warning letters.</p>
<p>Suing a single mother with two kids isn&#8217;t going to help you fight piracy one bit, it will just make people not buy your product.</p>
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		<title>By: xboxoz360</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xboxoz360]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;@ Shadowstar,&lt;/b&gt; It was interesting to note regarding the repeativness of the game . . .They did some quick studies and found those who had &quot;a problem&quot; with the style of game, exploration and free-roaming and repeativeness etc feel into the younger age brackets. Those that loved the game fell into and older age bracket.

Those that liked the style seemed content too simply explore, delve into the storyline, dig deeper etc etc, whereas those that wanted instant action were expecting something along the lines of a POP style game, which it was never meant to be. They were already making a POP game anyhow.

I never, or have never had an issue with the game on the 360, freezing or glitching, and found the game engaging, and will return to it one day . . . when I can afford it the time it deserves.

I think it comes down to different strokes for different folks more than a design flaw. Some games are simply designed for a reason or a market and need to follow a storyline, not just supply hours of instant gratification via killing, explosions and the like.

Many will be disappointed with BIA:HH on many levels, yet there will be an equal number who will find those reasons as compelling, like the fact you ca&#039;t WIN in the game as such. Unlike 99.9% of all shooter where you beat the bad guys in the end. BIA:HH doesn&#039;t allow that, it&#039;s down to a moral victory, not an actual one. 

There are many games taking that approach now, which will either win over some gamers, and definitely turn some gamers off.

In the end, piracy isn&#039;t always about the smaller ppl getting games for free once or twice. It&#039;s the huge number that take that attitude, combined together and they make up a huge % of piracy.

The BIGGEST worry is from organized crime. Several of the major bickie gangs in Sydney and around Australia are now making MORE from their piracy dealings than they are from selling drugs. They funnel the huge profits into other areas of their businesses, illeagal and otherwise, and can make 10 times as much from their piracy chains than they do from stuff like heroine and coke etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ Shadowstar,</b> It was interesting to note regarding the repeativness of the game . . .They did some quick studies and found those who had &#8220;a problem&#8221; with the style of game, exploration and free-roaming and repeativeness etc feel into the younger age brackets. Those that loved the game fell into and older age bracket.</p>
<p>Those that liked the style seemed content too simply explore, delve into the storyline, dig deeper etc etc, whereas those that wanted instant action were expecting something along the lines of a POP style game, which it was never meant to be. They were already making a POP game anyhow.</p>
<p>I never, or have never had an issue with the game on the 360, freezing or glitching, and found the game engaging, and will return to it one day . . . when I can afford it the time it deserves.</p>
<p>I think it comes down to different strokes for different folks more than a design flaw. Some games are simply designed for a reason or a market and need to follow a storyline, not just supply hours of instant gratification via killing, explosions and the like.</p>
<p>Many will be disappointed with BIA:HH on many levels, yet there will be an equal number who will find those reasons as compelling, like the fact you ca&#8217;t WIN in the game as such. Unlike 99.9% of all shooter where you beat the bad guys in the end. BIA:HH doesn&#8217;t allow that, it&#8217;s down to a moral victory, not an actual one. </p>
<p>There are many games taking that approach now, which will either win over some gamers, and definitely turn some gamers off.</p>
<p>In the end, piracy isn&#8217;t always about the smaller ppl getting games for free once or twice. It&#8217;s the huge number that take that attitude, combined together and they make up a huge % of piracy.</p>
<p>The BIGGEST worry is from organized crime. Several of the major bickie gangs in Sydney and around Australia are now making MORE from their piracy dealings than they are from selling drugs. They funnel the huge profits into other areas of their businesses, illeagal and otherwise, and can make 10 times as much from their piracy chains than they do from stuff like heroine and coke etc.</p>
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		<title>By: st3v4nt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[st3v4nt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fighting piracy with regular law enforcement but in the other hand keep selling the game software (also music and movie) in traditional way  is not going  to win the war.  

Developer and publisher must think new approach, not all people have same economy standard. Game with advertising, shareware and downloadable content  can be use to educate people that game affordable. 

Meanwhile they also must encourage people to bought legit version not by threatening user but by showing additional service they will get by owning it. My country is the fifth largest population in the world yet no current big three console maker officially release their product. 

As a result being treat as &#039;spill over market&#039; only a few of consumer (usually rich and educated) buying legal software. A lot of casual consumer, parents that bought game for their kids doesn&#039;t even know they buying illegal game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fighting piracy with regular law enforcement but in the other hand keep selling the game software (also music and movie) in traditional way  is not going  to win the war.  </p>
<p>Developer and publisher must think new approach, not all people have same economy standard. Game with advertising, shareware and downloadable content  can be use to educate people that game affordable. </p>
<p>Meanwhile they also must encourage people to bought legit version not by threatening user but by showing additional service they will get by owning it. My country is the fifth largest population in the world yet no current big three console maker officially release their product. </p>
<p>As a result being treat as &#8216;spill over market&#8217; only a few of consumer (usually rich and educated) buying legal software. A lot of casual consumer, parents that bought game for their kids doesn&#8217;t even know they buying illegal game.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadowstar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shadowstar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;... if you read the article on the issue, it was due to the fact Ubisoft had included a bug in the code for security reasons that would have the game glitch and freeze mid game and at certain point have issues.&quot;

I read it. But the problem is, people weren&#039;t upset about game glitches and freezing (well, I was, but that&#039;s because it kept glitching and freezing on my PS3-- so much for it being intentional.) What most people were upset about was the repetitive nature of the game.

The repetition is a design flaw. That&#039;s not something that could be removed with a little patch or whatever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; if you read the article on the issue, it was due to the fact Ubisoft had included a bug in the code for security reasons that would have the game glitch and freeze mid game and at certain point have issues.&#8221;</p>
<p>I read it. But the problem is, people weren&#8217;t upset about game glitches and freezing (well, I was, but that&#8217;s because it kept glitching and freezing on my PS3&#8211; so much for it being intentional.) What most people were upset about was the repetitive nature of the game.</p>
<p>The repetition is a design flaw. That&#8217;s not something that could be removed with a little patch or whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: xboxoz360</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xboxoz360]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;@ Shadowstar&lt;/b&gt;

With regards to the Assassin&#039;s Creed PC game getting a bagging, if you read the article on the issue, it was due to the fact Ubisoft had included a bug in the code for security reasons that would have the game glitch and freeze mid game and at certain point have issues.

This was in the code that was sent out to the companies that re-master the games for distribution. That bug would be made redundant when it was issued a command once inserted post release. Which is why many of the week early reviews of the game were so critical on the PC version . . . 

The reviews were being made off pirated copies with the security code enabled . . dahhh . .

If you check out article on Ubisoft seuing firm OEM (do a search above) and you&#039;ll get the full story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ Shadowstar</b></p>
<p>With regards to the Assassin&#8217;s Creed PC game getting a bagging, if you read the article on the issue, it was due to the fact Ubisoft had included a bug in the code for security reasons that would have the game glitch and freeze mid game and at certain point have issues.</p>
<p>This was in the code that was sent out to the companies that re-master the games for distribution. That bug would be made redundant when it was issued a command once inserted post release. Which is why many of the week early reviews of the game were so critical on the PC version . . . </p>
<p>The reviews were being made off pirated copies with the security code enabled . . dahhh . .</p>
<p>If you check out article on Ubisoft seuing firm OEM (do a search above) and you&#8217;ll get the full story.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lets be honest here.

16,000 quid is a mssive joke.

If this goes to appeal she would get the fine reduced.

Plus then comes the outcry when she has to sit in jail because she can´t pay(which costs the taxpayer money) and the evidence is to be honest very very iffy.

Logistep uses illegal methods and could in theory be charged for illegal spying and breaking in to personal computers!

As for piracy itself-:

When will devolpers stop ripping off customers eg Crysis (better tech demo) or other games.

With the rising prices for food and energy this problem will get worse.

Taking people to court for(as defined by Law) petty offences(which it is)-Would be time better invested in catching PROPER criminals.

For me MODERN MAFIA!

Would be a great idea for a game...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets be honest here.</p>
<p>16,000 quid is a mssive joke.</p>
<p>If this goes to appeal she would get the fine reduced.</p>
<p>Plus then comes the outcry when she has to sit in jail because she can´t pay(which costs the taxpayer money) and the evidence is to be honest very very iffy.</p>
<p>Logistep uses illegal methods and could in theory be charged for illegal spying and breaking in to personal computers!</p>
<p>As for piracy itself-:</p>
<p>When will devolpers stop ripping off customers eg Crysis (better tech demo) or other games.</p>
<p>With the rising prices for food and energy this problem will get worse.</p>
<p>Taking people to court for(as defined by Law) petty offences(which it is)-Would be time better invested in catching PROPER criminals.</p>
<p>For me MODERN MAFIA!</p>
<p>Would be a great idea for a game&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well when Ubisoft makes a buggy and crappy as hell game as Assassins Creed for the Computer, then there Might be a reason for them losing money. If a game is DRM free, GOOD, and has a DEMO that&#039;s not 10 minuets long then Piracy may go down a lot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well when Ubisoft makes a buggy and crappy as hell game as Assassins Creed for the Computer, then there Might be a reason for them losing money. If a game is DRM free, GOOD, and has a DEMO that&#8217;s not 10 minuets long then Piracy may go down a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: barshank</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[barshank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stopping pirates in developing nations won&#039;t make a difference in sales. People in countries such as Bangladesh will just stop purchasing games altogether. Consoles will stop being sold here. We see more 360s than PS3s around here. The ratio would be 30:1 for 360:PS3. Only the super rich can afford PS3s. I can&#039;t afford to purchase games at $50 where weekly I make around 1000 taka as income... which is roughly $14.28 a week and $57.12 a month. I am one of the well-off people.

I had purchased my 360 on credit and also took some cash from my parents. If the people at MS wanna decrease console sales even more then and only then should they wanna block piracy over here. Even though games are being pirated... consoles are being sold...because you can&#039;t play without a console.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stopping pirates in developing nations won&#8217;t make a difference in sales. People in countries such as Bangladesh will just stop purchasing games altogether. Consoles will stop being sold here. We see more 360s than PS3s around here. The ratio would be 30:1 for 360:PS3. Only the super rich can afford PS3s. I can&#8217;t afford to purchase games at $50 where weekly I make around 1000 taka as income&#8230; which is roughly $14.28 a week and $57.12 a month. I am one of the well-off people.</p>
<p>I had purchased my 360 on credit and also took some cash from my parents. If the people at MS wanna decrease console sales even more then and only then should they wanna block piracy over here. Even though games are being pirated&#8230; consoles are being sold&#8230;because you can&#8217;t play without a console.</p>
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