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	<title>Comments on: Christian Gamers, Offensive Lists, and &#8216;Homo-Erotic&#8217; Games: Another viewpoint</title>
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		<title>By: Ronnie Alvarez</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a christian and I played condemned2 bloodshot.  To my view is that the game is all about fighting a fictional cult group called the Oro.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a christian and I played condemned2 bloodshot.  To my view is that the game is all about fighting a fictional cult group called the Oro.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Heer</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 05:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christianity&#039;s biggest problem is that Christians have either a condemning or condoning spirit. We tend to be judgmental a lot and shun others. On the other hand sometimes we forget what we believe even discard it for the sake of not being judgmental. To the world it&#039;s either you completely say it&#039;s okay or your judgmental. Even if you were born gay it still doesn&#039;t override the Bible. You do like the rest of the christians do, you resist the sin because we are all born sinners with sins of our own and we are still commanded to resist. It may be a sacrifice, but compared to Jesus&#039; and others sacrifices it is small. Seriously, read foxe&#039;s book of martyrs.

 If homosexuality isn&#039;t a sin, then neither is adultery, incest, fornication, bestiality and so forth. I don&#039;t hear anybody condoning about any of those acts.To declare it incurable and say it is futile you do several things. You declare anyone who has overcome homosexuality a liar. You bring about hopelessness to those who truly believe it is a sin. And you create a world where God tells you to resist something and you then tell others not to. If you say it is not a sin and that you are a christian then you call God a liar. If others overcame it you say it isn&#039;t a big deal.

 We shouldn&#039;t condemn them either that is shun them and disrespect them. God alone has the authority to send someone to hell and he has given us all an infinite supply of second chances (until you die) The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the holy spirit and that only occurs by dieing without Christ in you heart. It is in essence the turning down of forgiveness.

Also when speaking to people of other religions, We often make the mistake of sounding either judgmental or we prove we don&#039;t care about them to tell them of what their fate might be based on our faith. If you truly believe Jesus died to save you from hell then he died to save your friends and family as well. If you truly cared for them would you rather look judgmental or would you like to see them actually in hell. There are ways to do it with love and care that often don&#039;t involve outright telling them they will burn. That will usually shut them off in anger. Letting them learn what you believe will open their mind and allow them to consider if they believe it or not.

Even if you do not agree, then you still should keep your conversation polite and civil. More Christians who at times seem insecure in their belief should learn this as well as some atheists who at times seem insecure in their disbelief.

 I agree that avoiding a game because it gives you a choice to do bad, is stupid. If that is the case, then maybe we should all be chained and gagged, because we all have a choice to do bad at any moment. Judging it based on that then any art game should be outright banned since you can draw penises and such. Actually games that give you choices don&#039;t say much about the game, rather the gamer. Not just their actions, also their reactions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christianity&#8217;s biggest problem is that Christians have either a condemning or condoning spirit. We tend to be judgmental a lot and shun others. On the other hand sometimes we forget what we believe even discard it for the sake of not being judgmental. To the world it&#8217;s either you completely say it&#8217;s okay or your judgmental. Even if you were born gay it still doesn&#8217;t override the Bible. You do like the rest of the christians do, you resist the sin because we are all born sinners with sins of our own and we are still commanded to resist. It may be a sacrifice, but compared to Jesus&#8217; and others sacrifices it is small. Seriously, read foxe&#8217;s book of martyrs.</p>
<p> If homosexuality isn&#8217;t a sin, then neither is adultery, incest, fornication, bestiality and so forth. I don&#8217;t hear anybody condoning about any of those acts.To declare it incurable and say it is futile you do several things. You declare anyone who has overcome homosexuality a liar. You bring about hopelessness to those who truly believe it is a sin. And you create a world where God tells you to resist something and you then tell others not to. If you say it is not a sin and that you are a christian then you call God a liar. If others overcame it you say it isn&#8217;t a big deal.</p>
<p> We shouldn&#8217;t condemn them either that is shun them and disrespect them. God alone has the authority to send someone to hell and he has given us all an infinite supply of second chances (until you die) The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the holy spirit and that only occurs by dieing without Christ in you heart. It is in essence the turning down of forgiveness.</p>
<p>Also when speaking to people of other religions, We often make the mistake of sounding either judgmental or we prove we don&#8217;t care about them to tell them of what their fate might be based on our faith. If you truly believe Jesus died to save you from hell then he died to save your friends and family as well. If you truly cared for them would you rather look judgmental or would you like to see them actually in hell. There are ways to do it with love and care that often don&#8217;t involve outright telling them they will burn. That will usually shut them off in anger. Letting them learn what you believe will open their mind and allow them to consider if they believe it or not.</p>
<p>Even if you do not agree, then you still should keep your conversation polite and civil. More Christians who at times seem insecure in their belief should learn this as well as some atheists who at times seem insecure in their disbelief.</p>
<p> I agree that avoiding a game because it gives you a choice to do bad, is stupid. If that is the case, then maybe we should all be chained and gagged, because we all have a choice to do bad at any moment. Judging it based on that then any art game should be outright banned since you can draw penises and such. Actually games that give you choices don&#8217;t say much about the game, rather the gamer. Not just their actions, also their reactions.</p>
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		<title>By: xboxoz360</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;@ Bunchas&lt;/b&gt;

Unfortunately, it does come from all side, predujeses etc.

I have a lovely gentelman staying with me from Iran, a Muslim, NOt devote, but  Muslim just the same.

He was asked recently to attend a &quot;Christian&quot; bible reading night by a friend who had &#039;converted&#039; to &quot;christianity&quot; from Muslim . . .My freind came home distraught as he was basically told that unless he converted, he&#039;d go to hell, along with all other &quot;pagans&quot; . .

He was sadened that his friend even invited him along, then had him and others tell him that unless he converted, he was destined to go to hell.

Yet the Quaran states that all religions should be respected for their own beliefs . . which the bible also states. It&#039;s how individuals change the meanings to suit their own agenda unfortunately.

We&#039;ve had some excellent discussions around faiths and beliefs, and while I do not atest to any &#039;religion&#039; per-se&#039;, I do believe ina higher forse, as does he, and many others I know from both Jewish, Muslim, Christian and non-religious ppl. We ALL get along well together, and it&#039;s shame others can not do the same.

Whether that be in gaming or anything we do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ Bunchas</b></p>
<p>Unfortunately, it does come from all side, predujeses etc.</p>
<p>I have a lovely gentelman staying with me from Iran, a Muslim, NOt devote, but  Muslim just the same.</p>
<p>He was asked recently to attend a &#8220;Christian&#8221; bible reading night by a friend who had &#8216;converted&#8217; to &#8220;christianity&#8221; from Muslim . . .My freind came home distraught as he was basically told that unless he converted, he&#8217;d go to hell, along with all other &#8220;pagans&#8221; . .</p>
<p>He was sadened that his friend even invited him along, then had him and others tell him that unless he converted, he was destined to go to hell.</p>
<p>Yet the Quaran states that all religions should be respected for their own beliefs . . which the bible also states. It&#8217;s how individuals change the meanings to suit their own agenda unfortunately.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had some excellent discussions around faiths and beliefs, and while I do not atest to any &#8216;religion&#8217; per-se&#8217;, I do believe ina higher forse, as does he, and many others I know from both Jewish, Muslim, Christian and non-religious ppl. We ALL get along well together, and it&#8217;s shame others can not do the same.</p>
<p>Whether that be in gaming or anything we do.</p>
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		<title>By: dkpatriarch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dkpatriarch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your kind words Bunchas, and I admire your ability to see through social stigmas to the person inside.  I will always struggle with my own tendencies to judge and my desire to care for all people.  But I think the struggle keeps me aware of what I should do to be a better person as well as better Christian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your kind words Bunchas, and I admire your ability to see through social stigmas to the person inside.  I will always struggle with my own tendencies to judge and my desire to care for all people.  But I think the struggle keeps me aware of what I should do to be a better person as well as better Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: Bunchas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bunchas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man its a relief to know there are other christians out there who are like-minded.  I am sometimes reluctant to let people know I&#039;m a christian because of all the prejudice that comes with it.  Alot of people seem to automatically assume we&#039;re all judgemental jerks.  Two of my best friends are lesbians and they&#039;re also christians with incredibly inspiring faith.  I dont think of them as &quot;lesbians&quot;, to me, they&#039;re simply bloody good friends.

I feel you represented jesus well in this article.  Well written and as Lars pointed out, your character and maturity is most noticable.  (my sentence structure on the other hand is pretty poor at the moment, ha)

Cheers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man its a relief to know there are other christians out there who are like-minded.  I am sometimes reluctant to let people know I&#8217;m a christian because of all the prejudice that comes with it.  Alot of people seem to automatically assume we&#8217;re all judgemental jerks.  Two of my best friends are lesbians and they&#8217;re also christians with incredibly inspiring faith.  I dont think of them as &#8220;lesbians&#8221;, to me, they&#8217;re simply bloody good friends.</p>
<p>I feel you represented jesus well in this article.  Well written and as Lars pointed out, your character and maturity is most noticable.  (my sentence structure on the other hand is pretty poor at the moment, ha)</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: noname</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[noname]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you forgot the original fallouts, where you kill children (in horrid and goreful ways if you have bloody mess) have sex, become more dramatically addicted to drugs , have a porn film studio (only fallout 2) and there is homosexual marriage. But i guess this list is only for new releases.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you forgot the original fallouts, where you kill children (in horrid and goreful ways if you have bloody mess) have sex, become more dramatically addicted to drugs , have a porn film studio (only fallout 2) and there is homosexual marriage. But i guess this list is only for new releases.</p>
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		<title>By: dkpatriarch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dkpatriarch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Lars

Much appreciated, and of course I agree with what you&#039;ve said.  

Besides the whole Christian gamer issue, there are those gamers who act like &#039;girl-gamers&#039; are an affront.  Like getting fragged by a girl is a threat to their masculinity or something.  

The whole point is that we don&#039;t judge any group and instead look at our own words and actions. Glad to hear you enjoy your gaming.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Lars</p>
<p>Much appreciated, and of course I agree with what you&#8217;ve said.  </p>
<p>Besides the whole Christian gamer issue, there are those gamers who act like &#8216;girl-gamers&#8217; are an affront.  Like getting fragged by a girl is a threat to their masculinity or something.  </p>
<p>The whole point is that we don&#8217;t judge any group and instead look at our own words and actions. Glad to hear you enjoy your gaming.</p>
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		<title>By: Lars</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lars]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was great reading. I read all the comments as well and i find it so interesting how passionate and opinionated people can get when they read an article about faith. You wrote that really well! i liked all the issues you touched on. 

Esspecially about the parents involvement in chosing games for their kids can be vitaly important. But i think some people missed the point you were making; (maybe not) but i got that you were just getting it out there that Christian gamers are out there and  there are christians that love gaming and that non-christian gamers shouldnt be brainwashed, by the media that they see, into believing that all christians are against gaming (the media can never represent everyones opinion). 

And Christians want to be accepted for who they are and welcomed just as much as any one should be accepted and welcomed for who they are no matter what your beliefs are, what your culture is, what colour your skin is, gay or not gay ect.. we need to value what everyone can bring and add to each others lives. 

Everyone is entitled to their personal opionion, but i do think opinions are better when they are given positively and unoffensively. Not judging others and being responible for yourself. Your article showed your tremendouse integrity and character and has some very valid points. It was much appreciated. i am a christian and a girl and i love Gears of War! loads of fun :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was great reading. I read all the comments as well and i find it so interesting how passionate and opinionated people can get when they read an article about faith. You wrote that really well! i liked all the issues you touched on. </p>
<p>Esspecially about the parents involvement in chosing games for their kids can be vitaly important. But i think some people missed the point you were making; (maybe not) but i got that you were just getting it out there that Christian gamers are out there and  there are christians that love gaming and that non-christian gamers shouldnt be brainwashed, by the media that they see, into believing that all christians are against gaming (the media can never represent everyones opinion). </p>
<p>And Christians want to be accepted for who they are and welcomed just as much as any one should be accepted and welcomed for who they are no matter what your beliefs are, what your culture is, what colour your skin is, gay or not gay ect.. we need to value what everyone can bring and add to each others lives. </p>
<p>Everyone is entitled to their personal opionion, but i do think opinions are better when they are given positively and unoffensively. Not judging others and being responible for yourself. Your article showed your tremendouse integrity and character and has some very valid points. It was much appreciated. i am a christian and a girl and i love Gears of War! loads of fun <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: benjaminvallen1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[benjaminvallen1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow. I&#039;m a Christian and i can say some of that is ridiculous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I&#8217;m a Christian and i can say some of that is ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: dkpatriarch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dkpatriarch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your friend can discuss issues of faith with me anytime.  I won&#039;t give him the &#039;going to hell&#039; speech for sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your friend can discuss issues of faith with me anytime.  I won&#8217;t give him the &#8216;going to hell&#8217; speech for sure.</p>
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