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	<title>Comments on: Red Dead: Redemption Euphoriatic Open World Western A GTA Killer</title>
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		<title>By: xboxoz360</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xboxoz360]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well actually, it&#039;s Rockstar who are liking it to GTA, and have done in every media meeting we&#039;ve had with them and other media days.

The game premises is still the same, the dynamics are still the same, the mechanics, while greatly improved are the same, and yes, it is in a different sub-genre . . that&#039;s the beauty of it.

It gives you complete freedom to do as you wish, when you wish and how you wish. Much more so than any GTA.

And if anything GTA IV was a clone fo this, as this was being built prior to GTA IV surfacing, they knew it (RDR) could not make it with the RAGE engine as it was, and that it needed further abilities, so they went ahead with GTA IV in order to tweak and gain more from RAGE.

DO some reading, you&#039;ll find plenty of rockstar details around this.

It&#039;s not us per-se who are saying that it&#039;s like GTA IV, it&#039;s actually Rockstar themselves.

Rockstar are at pains to push the fact this is a Western version (and more so) of GTA IV, so if you think we are pushing it, then head over to the official sites.

That aside, the game stands on its own two feet, and I personally dislike the GTA series, but really have enjoyed every hands-on Ive had with this game, including the Multiplayer, and I&#039;m not a PMP type of guy.

Those that say RDR is simply a &#039;clone&#039; of GTA IV obviously have not actually read up on the game, nor why and how it was made. Even the great Table Tenise game that showcased the RAGE engine was done for this game. 

If ppl give RDR it&#039;s own freedom, they will see it is far greater than GTA IV series, it&#039;s not meant to take its place, but add more variety to a genre (sandbox) for a different audience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well actually, it&#8217;s Rockstar who are liking it to GTA, and have done in every media meeting we&#8217;ve had with them and other media days.</p>
<p>The game premises is still the same, the dynamics are still the same, the mechanics, while greatly improved are the same, and yes, it is in a different sub-genre . . that&#8217;s the beauty of it.</p>
<p>It gives you complete freedom to do as you wish, when you wish and how you wish. Much more so than any GTA.</p>
<p>And if anything GTA IV was a clone fo this, as this was being built prior to GTA IV surfacing, they knew it (RDR) could not make it with the RAGE engine as it was, and that it needed further abilities, so they went ahead with GTA IV in order to tweak and gain more from RAGE.</p>
<p>DO some reading, you&#8217;ll find plenty of rockstar details around this.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not us per-se who are saying that it&#8217;s like GTA IV, it&#8217;s actually Rockstar themselves.</p>
<p>Rockstar are at pains to push the fact this is a Western version (and more so) of GTA IV, so if you think we are pushing it, then head over to the official sites.</p>
<p>That aside, the game stands on its own two feet, and I personally dislike the GTA series, but really have enjoyed every hands-on Ive had with this game, including the Multiplayer, and I&#8217;m not a PMP type of guy.</p>
<p>Those that say RDR is simply a &#8216;clone&#8217; of GTA IV obviously have not actually read up on the game, nor why and how it was made. Even the great Table Tenise game that showcased the RAGE engine was done for this game. </p>
<p>If ppl give RDR it&#8217;s own freedom, they will see it is far greater than GTA IV series, it&#8217;s not meant to take its place, but add more variety to a genre (sandbox) for a different audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Silly people, its nothing like GTA. Just because it uses the same engine? come on! Its made by a different studio, its a different genre, the reason that this game is getting slandered as a GTA clone is simply because the company that made it already has a very famous and successful series of games. If you&#039;re going to be pig-headed enough to dismiss it as a clone then shame on you. Oh, perhaps Modern Warfare 2 is a Timesplitters clone because they&#039;re both FPSs? Grow up please]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly people, its nothing like GTA. Just because it uses the same engine? come on! Its made by a different studio, its a different genre, the reason that this game is getting slandered as a GTA clone is simply because the company that made it already has a very famous and successful series of games. If you&#8217;re going to be pig-headed enough to dismiss it as a clone then shame on you. Oh, perhaps Modern Warfare 2 is a Timesplitters clone because they&#8217;re both FPSs? Grow up please</p>
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		<title>By: xboxoz360</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xboxoz360]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 03:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I agree, I&#039;m not a fan of &quot;exclusives from 3rd party publishers, as it cuts down on the number of possible sales, and more importantly, the number of gamers exposed to a new title.

I&#039;d personally like to see Red Dead: Redemption on all 3 platforms, but for whatever reasons, some publishers till hold onto the old idea of single platform games. Times are changing, and many publishers need to look at that more now than ever before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree, I&#8217;m not a fan of &#8220;exclusives from 3rd party publishers, as it cuts down on the number of possible sales, and more importantly, the number of gamers exposed to a new title.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d personally like to see Red Dead: Redemption on all 3 platforms, but for whatever reasons, some publishers till hold onto the old idea of single platform games. Times are changing, and many publishers need to look at that more now than ever before.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mick Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 03:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you&#039;ve jumped to a conclusion there, Grant. I don&#039;t see Antony mention anywhere that he hates the Xbox 360 and would be ashamed to have one.

I wouldn&#039;t recommend anyone go out and purchase a &#039;cheap 360&#039; just for one game, particularly when they already have quite a capable gaming platform.

I think it&#039;s a valid point to request that most games be released for all platforms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ve jumped to a conclusion there, Grant. I don&#8217;t see Antony mention anywhere that he hates the Xbox 360 and would be ashamed to have one.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t recommend anyone go out and purchase a &#8216;cheap 360&#8242; just for one game, particularly when they already have quite a capable gaming platform.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a valid point to request that most games be released for all platforms.</p>
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		<title>By: xboxoz360</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xboxoz360]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 04:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True, but i know that when Rockstar refer to their other title, GTA IV series, they use it as a jumping off point, in so far as that what you had in GTA IV, treat it as a springboard into the Red Dead: Redemption experience. I can tell you though, having played it in both modes, it is awesome, and once the embargo lifts this friday morning (Syd 4am AEST) we&#039;ll be able to fill you in on the &quot;other&quot; side of the game . . . Surfice to say, the game rocks in any mode, and is almost seamless between them . . . ANyone who is putting this down as simply a western clone of GTA IV obviously have not even read much about it, or understand the whole idea of .

ERemember, Red Dead: Redemption was being made BEFORE The GTA IV series, and before the excellent Table Tennis game which ushered in their R,A.G.E engine. They had to hold off on RDR until now, so that they could tweak the engines to produce what we have now in RDR. GTA IV was a testing board for it, not the other way around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, but i know that when Rockstar refer to their other title, GTA IV series, they use it as a jumping off point, in so far as that what you had in GTA IV, treat it as a springboard into the Red Dead: Redemption experience. I can tell you though, having played it in both modes, it is awesome, and once the embargo lifts this friday morning (Syd 4am AEST) we&#8217;ll be able to fill you in on the &#8220;other&#8221; side of the game . . . Surfice to say, the game rocks in any mode, and is almost seamless between them . . . ANyone who is putting this down as simply a western clone of GTA IV obviously have not even read much about it, or understand the whole idea of .</p>
<p>ERemember, Red Dead: Redemption was being made BEFORE The GTA IV series, and before the excellent Table Tennis game which ushered in their R,A.G.E engine. They had to hold off on RDR until now, so that they could tweak the engines to produce what we have now in RDR. GTA IV was a testing board for it, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Antony</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damn! I hate it when it&#039;s called a GTA in another setting! In gta you didn&#039;t have a half of the features we already know about not to mention there might also be surprises from developers. It is a next step, it uses the enhanced engine etc. I wish there was a western mod for GTA 4 so that would dare to compare RDR with it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn! I hate it when it&#8217;s called a GTA in another setting! In gta you didn&#8217;t have a half of the features we already know about not to mention there might also be surprises from developers. It is a next step, it uses the enhanced engine etc. I wish there was a western mod for GTA 4 so that would dare to compare RDR with it</p>
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		<title>By: xboxoz360</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xboxoz360]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tell you what, why not just grab a cheap 360, play the game when it comes out, don&#039;t tell anyone you did such a terrible thig, and no one will be the wiser, and you won&#039;t even have to upgrade your PC to play it  (joke by the way)

But seriously, what&#039;s wrong with having a 360 (or whatever platform) for those games that don&#039;t come on the PC, or do, but much later? If you are into games, it matters little as to which platform it is on, so long as you get to PLAY the game, rather than shout that you want it for my platform etc. Games are meant to be played, so go grab it when it comes out. I believe it will appear on the PC, but have no idea when (or if). So don&#039;t miss a perfectly great game for the sake of not being able to play it on a PC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell you what, why not just grab a cheap 360, play the game when it comes out, don&#8217;t tell anyone you did such a terrible thig, and no one will be the wiser, and you won&#8217;t even have to upgrade your PC to play it  (joke by the way)</p>
<p>But seriously, what&#8217;s wrong with having a 360 (or whatever platform) for those games that don&#8217;t come on the PC, or do, but much later? If you are into games, it matters little as to which platform it is on, so long as you get to PLAY the game, rather than shout that you want it for my platform etc. Games are meant to be played, so go grab it when it comes out. I believe it will appear on the PC, but have no idea when (or if). So don&#8217;t miss a perfectly great game for the sake of not being able to play it on a PC.</p>
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		<title>By: Antony</title>
		<link>http://oxcgn.com/2009/12/18/red-dead-redemption-euphoriatic-open-world-western-a-gta-killer/comment-page-1/#comment-26672</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, will the guys from R* just leave the PC users without THIS?! Still hope they would announce the PC version...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, will the guys from R* just leave the PC users without THIS?! Still hope they would announce the PC version&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: xboxoz360</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xboxoz360]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The RAGE engine was actually created for this game , much like James Cameron&#039;s Avatar. Avatar was one of hismovies that he had ready (conceptually and storyline) before his big hit Titanic, which broke box office records around the world. He held off making the movie until technology advanced enough to give the movie the desired effect he wanted.

The same applies to Red Dead: Redemption. Rage was created for the game, it&#039;s first real outing was Table Tennise to get a feel for it. Having seen Red Dead firsthand, I can tell you this, it&#039;s not simply a re-clothed GTA, it&#039;s far more than that on every level.

This is one of my concerns for the game. Many will simply feel it is a GTA clone, and or simply not be in the space for a Wild West style sandbox games as they may have been some years ago. The mian buying market is not nessesarily &quot;in to&quot; the Wild West these days, and look at games for the high impact, big guns, large bosses and blowing everything up.

Red Dead: Redemption is true to its period, no grenades, no machine guns (there is gattling gun/s), no BFG&#039;s . . Just various &quot;six shooters&quot; long range rifles (single bolt and repeaters) and dynamite. Not to mention the various hand held items you can use in the game. Give the game a chance, and I&#039;m 100% certain that you&#039;ll not only like it, but see just how good it is, and that GTA would be one of its weaker cousins.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The RAGE engine was actually created for this game , much like James Cameron&#8217;s Avatar. Avatar was one of hismovies that he had ready (conceptually and storyline) before his big hit Titanic, which broke box office records around the world. He held off making the movie until technology advanced enough to give the movie the desired effect he wanted.</p>
<p>The same applies to Red Dead: Redemption. Rage was created for the game, it&#8217;s first real outing was Table Tennise to get a feel for it. Having seen Red Dead firsthand, I can tell you this, it&#8217;s not simply a re-clothed GTA, it&#8217;s far more than that on every level.</p>
<p>This is one of my concerns for the game. Many will simply feel it is a GTA clone, and or simply not be in the space for a Wild West style sandbox games as they may have been some years ago. The mian buying market is not nessesarily &#8220;in to&#8221; the Wild West these days, and look at games for the high impact, big guns, large bosses and blowing everything up.</p>
<p>Red Dead: Redemption is true to its period, no grenades, no machine guns (there is gattling gun/s), no BFG&#8217;s . . Just various &#8220;six shooters&#8221; long range rifles (single bolt and repeaters) and dynamite. Not to mention the various hand held items you can use in the game. Give the game a chance, and I&#8217;m 100% certain that you&#8217;ll not only like it, but see just how good it is, and that GTA would be one of its weaker cousins.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could agree if it wasn&#039;t clearly just GTA in the wild west. If they were dead set on competing with each other, they wouldn&#039;t be using the same engine / gameplay devices etc.

It doesn&#039;t matter though, it&#039;s looking good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could agree if it wasn&#8217;t clearly just GTA in the wild west. If they were dead set on competing with each other, they wouldn&#8217;t be using the same engine / gameplay devices etc.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter though, it&#8217;s looking good.</p>
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