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	<title>Comments on: Forza 3&#8242;s Nurburgring GP Tracks Review Finally in &#8211; Worth It &#8211; Or Not &#8211; NOT!</title>
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		<title>By: xboxoz360</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xboxoz360]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that Sebastian, most appreciated. 

This is one of the reasons many SP gamers just don&#039;t get their fair share of the gaming experience.

Most if not all are unaware of how to deal with the online multiplayer aspects. So they simply do not bother . . which is a huge shame really.

But yes, the track has been terribly implemented into the game, especially seeing that they are now offering the earlier FREE DLC from the initial games sale (The Legend Pack - which contains over 20 tracks on Sidewinder and Benchmark) for 400 MSP, and yet these track work in with the game when loaded into a game that someone may have purchased secondhand, and not have those tracks in their game on start-up.

I certainly hope they work a way so that the tracks when included in the future are worked into the SP mode - in some fashion. 60% of the players are in fact using the game in that mode . . . especially those busting their backs in breaking times on the leaderboards. Which are not available for those in MP . .  which has its own set of leaderboards.

I&#039;ve just complete the latest DLC review - pheww that was big, over 5000 words - bugger, so that will be live within 24hrs if that&#039;s of interest to you. So keep an eye out on that front mate.

Again, thanks for the &#039;tip&#039; for us SP gamers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that Sebastian, most appreciated. </p>
<p>This is one of the reasons many SP gamers just don&#8217;t get their fair share of the gaming experience.</p>
<p>Most if not all are unaware of how to deal with the online multiplayer aspects. So they simply do not bother . . which is a huge shame really.</p>
<p>But yes, the track has been terribly implemented into the game, especially seeing that they are now offering the earlier FREE DLC from the initial games sale (The Legend Pack &#8211; which contains over 20 tracks on Sidewinder and Benchmark) for 400 MSP, and yet these track work in with the game when loaded into a game that someone may have purchased secondhand, and not have those tracks in their game on start-up.</p>
<p>I certainly hope they work a way so that the tracks when included in the future are worked into the SP mode &#8211; in some fashion. 60% of the players are in fact using the game in that mode . . . especially those busting their backs in breaking times on the leaderboards. Which are not available for those in MP . .  which has its own set of leaderboards.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just complete the latest DLC review &#8211; pheww that was big, over 5000 words &#8211; bugger, so that will be live within 24hrs if that&#8217;s of interest to you. So keep an eye out on that front mate.</p>
<p>Again, thanks for the &#8216;tip&#8217; for us SP gamers</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian MCPoodlepoo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sebastian MCPoodlepoo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to clarify, in the multplayer &#039;work around&#039;, the R2 class cars are jsut the default setting. All the options that would normally be available in a private multiplayer race are available. Just go to game setup&gt; car restrictions and viola, a full field of fiat arbarths!

That&#039;s not to say the track isn&#039;t horrendously implemented into the game, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, in the multplayer &#8216;work around&#8217;, the R2 class cars are jsut the default setting. All the options that would normally be available in a private multiplayer race are available. Just go to game setup&gt; car restrictions and viola, a full field of fiat arbarths!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say the track isn&#8217;t horrendously implemented into the game, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Z3R0B4NG</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you VERY MUCH for this review.
Saved me from burning my money on DLC that is AGAIN not avaible for Singleplayer.

Allready burned money in Forza 2 for DLC tracks and couldnt use them like i wanted...

Judging from the recycling Forza 3 did i will see those DLC tracks fully working in Forza 4 Singleplayer... one day....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you VERY MUCH for this review.<br />
Saved me from burning my money on DLC that is AGAIN not avaible for Singleplayer.</p>
<p>Allready burned money in Forza 2 for DLC tracks and couldnt use them like i wanted&#8230;</p>
<p>Judging from the recycling Forza 3 did i will see those DLC tracks fully working in Forza 4 Singleplayer&#8230; one day&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: xboxoz360</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xboxoz360]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And, with regards to the trask just released, many gamers want to use them WITHOUT having to be online, or more specifically, playing multiplayer games.

So, while we have a work-around that allows players the ability to create a online AI run game, it only allows you to race R2 Class cars . .Well, actually, you can use any cass car you want, but the 7 other AI cars will always be - R2 Class, no matter what class you pick.

Now that is just bloody stupid in my books . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, with regards to the trask just released, many gamers want to use them WITHOUT having to be online, or more specifically, playing multiplayer games.</p>
<p>So, while we have a work-around that allows players the ability to create a online AI run game, it only allows you to race R2 Class cars . .Well, actually, you can use any cass car you want, but the 7 other AI cars will always be &#8211; R2 Class, no matter what class you pick.</p>
<p>Now that is just bloody stupid in my books . .</p>
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		<title>By: soadieman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[soadieman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well,  after several months of hems and ha&#039;s  it is interesting to hear the community.  I understand  all the frustrations.  But what I am continuously hearing is complaints.  what needs to happen and i have been saying this for a while now, is ALL racers need to take all racing in to private leader boards, championships and tournaments.  Third parties as it may be at least there is more control of the glitching and cheats.   

In addition the new track in my opinion which  may not count for much is the tracks are good and i enjoy driving them BUT the 400c for 2 tracks was a little heinous if you ask me.  I will continue to support for me is the best racing game on the planet currently.  In addition if you are concerned about the games ONLINE play then take it into your own hands and make it the best racing ever don&#039;t let hoppers discourage you.    Happy Racing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,  after several months of hems and ha&#8217;s  it is interesting to hear the community.  I understand  all the frustrations.  But what I am continuously hearing is complaints.  what needs to happen and i have been saying this for a while now, is ALL racers need to take all racing in to private leader boards, championships and tournaments.  Third parties as it may be at least there is more control of the glitching and cheats.   </p>
<p>In addition the new track in my opinion which  may not count for much is the tracks are good and i enjoy driving them BUT the 400c for 2 tracks was a little heinous if you ask me.  I will continue to support for me is the best racing game on the planet currently.  In addition if you are concerned about the games ONLINE play then take it into your own hands and make it the best racing ever don&#8217;t let hoppers discourage you.    Happy Racing.</p>
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		<title>By: xboxoz360</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xboxoz360]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong actually . . Having connections in MS, we&#039;re able to get details of purchasers and users from MS head office, and a rather large number of end users have a internet connection and are registered online. That aside, I was saying that 60-65% of FORZA players use the game in SP mode, most of which ARE connected.  As an example, all those on my friends list (you haveto be on line to have the friends list) do not use Forza 3 online or in MP . . . does that make it clear enough mate.

And again, do watch out with what you so, we do not mind good copnversation and opposing opinions, but we do NOT toterate any form of bad manners, fanboyism, or negative termnology on the site.  Fair enough!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong actually . . Having connections in MS, we&#8217;re able to get details of purchasers and users from MS head office, and a rather large number of end users have a internet connection and are registered online. That aside, I was saying that 60-65% of FORZA players use the game in SP mode, most of which ARE connected.  As an example, all those on my friends list (you haveto be on line to have the friends list) do not use Forza 3 online or in MP . . . does that make it clear enough mate.</p>
<p>And again, do watch out with what you so, we do not mind good copnversation and opposing opinions, but we do NOT toterate any form of bad manners, fanboyism, or negative termnology on the site.  Fair enough!</p>
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		<title>By: BIGS</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BIGS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;65%&quot; SP players do not play online for the main reason that they do not have the internet to do so, therefore they would also not buy any DLC either.  Hoser!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;65%&#8221; SP players do not play online for the main reason that they do not have the internet to do so, therefore they would also not buy any DLC either.  Hoser!</p>
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		<title>By: xboxoz360</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xboxoz360]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True, my bad aboutthe GP&#039;s in FM2, But the tracks have appeared in Reverse in othe rgames, notably in PGR3 I believe.

Will ammend comment now, many thanks. When you&#039;ve been racing various games and spent hundreds of hours on the tracks, there is a time that some of them merge, so &quot;my bad - as they say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, my bad aboutthe GP&#8217;s in FM2, But the tracks have appeared in Reverse in othe rgames, notably in PGR3 I believe.</p>
<p>Will ammend comment now, many thanks. When you&#8217;ve been racing various games and spent hundreds of hours on the tracks, there is a time that some of them merge, so &#8220;my bad &#8211; as they say.</p>
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		<title>By: Afterbirth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Afterbirth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This track wasn&#039;t even featured in Forza 2 and none of the real world tracks have reverse configurations unless they&#039;re raced on like that in real life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This track wasn&#8217;t even featured in Forza 2 and none of the real world tracks have reverse configurations unless they&#8217;re raced on like that in real life.</p>
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		<title>By: xboxoz360</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xboxoz360]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, EXACTLY . . Multiplayer ONLY . . which is the entire point of the review . . . 

True, it&#039;s a good &quot;work-around&quot; the thing is . . . 

That the fact that 65% or more of Forza 3 players do play the game &#039;only&#039; on single player should tell the developer something.

That the bulk of its end users do NOT use the game for multipler purposes and or use online gaming, and in fact, prefer offline Single Player mode, and raely, if at all, venture into the world of the Multiplayer section of the game. Thus not even knowing about the possibility of such a &#039;work-around&#039;.

So you have made my point exactly . . .

That ability should be made available to the single player as well clearly from the get-go, but he/she is stuck with just 2 laps, and that&#039;s it. Unless of course you feel like chasing your own Ghost around the track lap after lap - not!!!!

Most SP gamers do not even venture into the MP side of the game, so would not even have the faintest that this could be possible, nor know how if it was . . A simple explanation of how to set up a decent race using AI cars would enable the gamer to do that . . but they have not done this. SHowing that their main concern was simply in supplying  the MP gamers out there where they could use the feature to fill up the gap with their friends online.

The main point is, that the only ppl that would know this is available is those that use the MP aspects of the game on a regular basis, which is as pointed out, a smaller number than the ones that stick strictly to the SP aspect . . if that makes sense?

For most, it is seen as just available in the Quick Race and Hot Lap only . . as that 65% of SP gamers do not want to look at the MP aspects . .

I will add it as a &quot;work-around&quot; and credit it to you of course, but my point remains, for the most part, as a SP gamer, this is an unknown aspect of the game, and thus, not readily available to you. Get my point. If say, you did not play MP side of the game, and were not used to filling in the filed with some AI cars, would you have known this work-around? Probably not.

Which is again, representative of 65% of the gamers using Forza 3.

Make it clear on how to use the game effectively for ALL players . . . not just some of them. 

But thanks for the tip anyhow, most appreciated.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, EXACTLY . . Multiplayer ONLY . . which is the entire point of the review . . . </p>
<p>True, it&#8217;s a good &#8220;work-around&#8221; the thing is . . . </p>
<p>That the fact that 65% or more of Forza 3 players do play the game &#8216;only&#8217; on single player should tell the developer something.</p>
<p>That the bulk of its end users do NOT use the game for multipler purposes and or use online gaming, and in fact, prefer offline Single Player mode, and raely, if at all, venture into the world of the Multiplayer section of the game. Thus not even knowing about the possibility of such a &#8216;work-around&#8217;.</p>
<p>So you have made my point exactly . . .</p>
<p>That ability should be made available to the single player as well clearly from the get-go, but he/she is stuck with just 2 laps, and that&#8217;s it. Unless of course you feel like chasing your own Ghost around the track lap after lap &#8211; not!!!!</p>
<p>Most SP gamers do not even venture into the MP side of the game, so would not even have the faintest that this could be possible, nor know how if it was . . A simple explanation of how to set up a decent race using AI cars would enable the gamer to do that . . but they have not done this. SHowing that their main concern was simply in supplying  the MP gamers out there where they could use the feature to fill up the gap with their friends online.</p>
<p>The main point is, that the only ppl that would know this is available is those that use the MP aspects of the game on a regular basis, which is as pointed out, a smaller number than the ones that stick strictly to the SP aspect . . if that makes sense?</p>
<p>For most, it is seen as just available in the Quick Race and Hot Lap only . . as that 65% of SP gamers do not want to look at the MP aspects . .</p>
<p>I will add it as a &#8220;work-around&#8221; and credit it to you of course, but my point remains, for the most part, as a SP gamer, this is an unknown aspect of the game, and thus, not readily available to you. Get my point. If say, you did not play MP side of the game, and were not used to filling in the filed with some AI cars, would you have known this work-around? Probably not.</p>
<p>Which is again, representative of 65% of the gamers using Forza 3.</p>
<p>Make it clear on how to use the game effectively for ALL players . . . not just some of them. </p>
<p>But thanks for the tip anyhow, most appreciated.</p>
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